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Re: The Whole Truth

Postby Vidyanet on Mon Feb 14, 2011 2:02 pm

Since no one has made a copy of Paul's manuscript public, we don't know how Kirpal's name was mentioned in the original Tiger's Fang.


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If we take this as representative of Paul's book, then Kirpal is not necessarily the main character in The Tiger's Fang. He might only be mentioned. Unfortunately, we simply don't know.


Doug,

For your book, did you talk to anybody who saw The Tiger's Fang manuscript? Anybody living? Or did you remember - from the time when you saw The Tiger's Fang manuscript yourself - whether it included the name Rebazar Tarzs?

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Re: The Whole Truth

Postby Doug Marman on Thu Feb 17, 2011 2:53 pm

Vidyanet,

I remember seeing the original manuscript for The Far Country. But this was back in the early 1970's. I do remember seeing a few words crossed out and other words written in by hand, with Paul's handwriting. But I don't remember seeing Rebazar's name being penciled in. I think I would have remembered something like that, but it is too long ago to remember this accurately, however.

I don't remember ever seeing The Tiger's Fang manuscript. I've asked a few people, but none have been able to add any new information.

The closest I've gotten to something new came from Patti Simpson Rivinus. She didn't remember seeing The Tiger's Fang manuscript, but she did see the original Letters to Gail, since she published them in the early ECK World News publications, back in the 1970's. She said that she did remember Sudar Singh's name being added by hand, on some of the letters, but she remembered seeing Rebazar's name there in the originals. So, she didn't think Rebazar's name was added. This is consistent with what David Stewart reported. He was the editor of The ECK World News after Patti. He said he saw Kirpal Singh's name being crossed out and replaced with Sudar Singh. He thought Gail may have been the one who made these name changes. But no mention of Rebazar's name being inserted.

Hopefully, one day, we will see these originals and know what happened. I'm not sure it will make much difference, but it is nice to know.

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Re: The Whole Truth

Postby Bob on Tue Dec 18, 2012 8:21 pm

Doug,

I wanted to thank you from my heart how much I appreciated the work that you did to bring out "The Whole Truth". The light that you have shed on Paul's public persona illuminates a wonderful soul and clarifies much. While reading the book I had a vivid dream where I was seated in a stand watching a singles sculling race. Out in front was Paul. The person next to me commented "That Paul Twitchell...... he digs deep !" The next day I continued reading your book and one of the first thoughts that you brought forward was that we must dig deep if we are to ever find truth. Thank you Doug for "digging deep".

Warmly

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Re: The Whole Truth

Postby Doug Marman on Fri Jan 25, 2013 7:21 pm

Bob,

Thanks for your warm note.

It is greatly appreciated.

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Re: The Whole Truth

Postby Shabda on Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:32 am

Hello Doug, i am also one person that bought The Whole Truth 5 or so years ago...has it been out that long? to my memory it was 2007 or so, in any case, i have also been an ARE member for many years, and witnessed a number of your dialogues there with David Lane, as well as many of the posts given in recent years that show further plagiarisms by Paul Twitchell, now, having said that, i also bring the works of Eckankar to a large number of non students, having been one myself for roughly 30 years....i have a site now, run by a friend who has just joined Eckankar, and there are a number of others who have become new students as well, and, at this site we have a considerably large ebook library, showcasing many, if not all spiritual paths, including Eckankar, so, my basic question to you is a very serious one, will you, at any time, be introducing a kindle version of The Whole Truth? in the way that i present Eckankar, i openly include Paul's usage and collections from other writers, and overall, a great many simply do not care in the way many former students who have decided to take the opposite side do, for these folks, plagiarisms are natural, as they are obviously found in nearly every religion on the face of the earth, having been based in, or a reformation of, one religion or another, and so, in displaying the teachings in this way, i am also able to openly use the wisdom of other writers, for example Sufi Murshid Hazrat Inayat Khan, who's writings have an entire chapter on the HU, and who also show a great potential in having been one of Paul's starting points, in the personage of ECK Master Sudar Singh....i will not openly say that such a Master does not at all exist, nor will i say that this name is a redaction to hide Kirpal Singh's involvement with Paul early on, but the spots in his writings that speak of Sudar Singh as having been a sort of Sufi, who at some point began teaching Eckankar, is beyond being able to miss, as Inayat Khan's eldest son is on record saying the very same thing, only without using the name of Eckankar, and instead saying "the path" as opposed to "the Sufi way"....obviously, your own work in The Whole Truth, which shows the different ways that plagiarism has been used and the varying meanings accepted by society at large, plays in this in a very direct fashion (and i DO also use quotes from your book, and give due credit)....so, an ebook version that could be purchased at some point would be a thing I and many others would be willing to pay for, if you happen to be at all considering the idea, and if not, I'd like to suggest it to you so that you might actually consider it, as it would indeed serve a great need that exists in the world of the seeker, and on the internet in general! thank you for your time! :D
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Re: The Whole Truth

Postby SDP on Fri Nov 08, 2013 12:06 pm

Shabda,

I didn't see your post until just now. I'm not sure why it didn't show up sooner, since the date shows that you posted this a long time ago.

Yes, I plan to produce e-books of my existing books. I will be coming out with my first e-book in the next few months. It will be a new book. It is short, so it is a good project for trying out what it takes to make an e-book.

After that is done, I will turn my attention to converting my other books to e-books. I've had requests before. Plus, it is a better solution for those who live in other countries, since mailing costs are getting so expensive.

Check back to the the spiritualdialogues.com web site in the next month or so. You will see a change to the web site, along with the e-book and some new articles.

I agree with you that Inayat Khan played an important role in Paul's spiritual education. There are a number of surprising connections that makes me wonder, like you, how deeply it goes. One thing is clear: Paul always had an eye for those who could see the deeper truth, and Inayat Khan was one of those.

Thanks for writing.

Doug.
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